August 13 - St Pontian

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Elected pope in 230, Saint Pontian (d. 236), held a Roman synod that
condemned Origenism, a heresy stemming from Origen, a controversial
third century theologian. Shortly afterward, Emperor Maximinus exiled
Pontian to Sardinia where he met Saint Hippolytus (d. c. 235) whose
feast is also celebrated today. At the time Hippolytus was an antipope
but this meeting with Pontian resulted in his reconciliation with the
church. Hippolytus, a Roman priest and theologian, and possibly a
disciple of Saint Irenaeus, had opposed Pope Callistus I because of
his leniency toward Christological heresies. Elected an antipope by a
small group, he remained in this position until he met Pope Pontian.
Hippolytus died on the island of Sardinia from the hardships he
endured in exile. Pope Pontian resigned as pope so that his nephew
could be elected and, according to some sources, was beaten to death.


Scripture
(New Revised Standard Version)


Joshua said to the people: "Now therefore fear God, whom you are to
serve in sincerity and in faithfulness; put away the gods which your
ancestors served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Most
High. And if you be unwilling to serve God choose this day whom you
will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served in the region
beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell;
but as for me and my house, we will serve the Most High God. Then the
people answered, "Far be it from us that we should forsake the Most
High to serve other gods; for it is the God of Hosts who brought us
and our ancestors up from the land of Egypt, out of the house of
bondage, and who did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us
in all the way that we went, and among all the peoples, the Amorites
who lived in the land; therefore we also will serve the Most High, who
is our God." But Joshua said to the people, "Can you serve the Most
High God, who is a holy God; a jealous God; who will not forgive your
transgressions or your sins?

If you forsake the Most High and serve foreign gods, then God will
turn and do you harm and consume you, after having done you good." And
the people said to Joshua, "We will serve the Most High God." Then
Joshua said to the people, "You are witnesses against yourselves that
you have chosen to serve God Most High." And they said, "We are
witnesses." He said, "Then put away the foreign gods which are among
you, and incline your heart to the God of Israel." The people said to
Joshua, "Our God we will serve, whose voice we will obey." So Joshua
made a covenant with the people that day and made statutes and
ordinances for them at Shechem. And Joshua wrote these words in the
book of the law of God; and he took a great stone, and set it up there
under the oak in the sanctuary of God. Joshua said to all the people,
"Behold this stone shall be a witness against us; for it has heard all
the words which God has spoken to us; therefore it shall be a witness
against you, lest you deal falsely with your God." So Joshua sent the
people away to their homes. After these things Joshua the son of Nun,
the servant of God, died, being a hundred and ten years old.

Joshua 24:14-29


Then children were brought to Jesus that he might lay his hands on
them and pray. The disciples rebuked the people; but Jesus said, "Let
the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs
the realm of heaven." And he laid his hands on them and went away.

Matthew 19:13-15



Quote of the Day
(Pope John Paul II)


"Give yourself to the service of life, not the work of death . . . .
Violence is the enemy of justice. Only peace can lead the way to true
justice."

This version taken from:
http://www.msb.net/Saint_of_the_day/8_13.htm
--
Gordie

'The Virgin Mary, being obedient to his word, received from an angel the glad tidings
that SHE WOULD BEAR GOD.'
- Iranaeus, Against Heresies, 5:19:1 [A.D. 189]
(This is a Pre-Constantine source and like in all other instances that I am able to find
- there is no difference between the Pre and Post Constantine practice.
In other words, Constantine didn't change this doctrine)
--
Gordie

'But since HE {Jesus] IS GOD in reality and without any shadow of doubt,
do you think that we will deny that He is worshipped by us with all the
fervour we are capable of, and assumed as the guardian of our body? Is
that Christ of yours a god, then? some raving, wrathful, and excited man
will say. A GOD, we will reply.'
Arnobius, Against the Heathen, 1:42 (A.D. 305), in ANF, VI:424
(This is a Pre-Constantine source and like in all other instances that I am able to find
- there is no difference between the Pre and Post Constantine practice.
In other words, Constantine didn't change this doctrine)

[~ Cindy]

"The Nolalu Barn Owl" wrote in a daily Vatican dispatch news:***@4ax.com...
August 13 - St Pontian....

snip...
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I grow weary of your daily parade of Vatican Saints, and this attempt to
bring glory and worship and prayer to man instead of God!

Jesus still has many individuals within the Roman system, as revealed by him
saying In Rev 18: "Come out of Her MY people, that ye be not partakers of
her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.For her sins have reached
unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities."

AND DON'T BE FOOLED IF YOU HAVE EVEN ONE OF HER HER CHARACTER TRAITS OR
BELIEVE AND FOLLOW EVEN ONE OF HER DOCTRINES YOU HAVE NOT COME OUT OF HER NO
MATTER WHAT DENOMINATION YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF WITH, FOR SHE HAS MANY HARLOT
DAUGHTERS.

The History and character of the Roman system is recorded AND REVEALED in
the blood of the REAL Saints and Martyrs of the Most high that she
persecuted and slew and the intolerance and despotism during 1260 DARK
years WHEN SHE RULED UNCHECKED. Those who can't see that are truly blind.

Rome doesn't make and declare Saints-- despite her blaspemous claims and
titles -- God does.

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men
loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every
one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his
deeds should be reproved.But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that
his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

Jesus plainly said that Satan is the Father of Murderers and liars, and his
words amply prove that Rome's actions (fruits) have proved to all who love
and follow him only, that She knows neither Father nor Son.:

" These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.They
shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever
killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they
do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."

When Jesus' disciples tried to use Old testement examples from when Israel
had been both church aand State led by God to justify calling fire down from
heaven to burn those who rejected Christ, Jesus turned and rebuked them and
said "Ye know not what spirit ye are of.." Yet Rome has done the same and
refuses to be rebuked..

The wine of Error the vatican serves to the world with her unbiblical
doctrines and traditions (infallibility, Mary's assumption, Sunday, temporal
power and authority, immortality of the soul, etc..) which sews drunkeness
and confusion and babble.also reveal she is in darkness:

" To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word,
[it is] because [there is] no light in them."

The Word of God made flesh, the Eternal Son declared

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the
bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him]".
"And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye
have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape." " It is the
spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak
unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life" "Believest thou not that I
am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I
speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the
works."

The Father then speaks and what does he say?

"This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him."


So hear him:
" I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but
by me." "my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it." "If
ye love me, keep my commandments." " If a man love me, he will keep my
words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our
abode with him." " If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." "And
I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."



And know:

." what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which
desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.For
such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the
apostles of Christ.And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an
angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be
transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according
to their works." "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines
the commandments of men." "It is better to trust in the LORD than to put
confidence in man" " Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day
shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin
be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above
all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in
the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that,
when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what
withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of
iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be
taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord
shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the
brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of
Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all
deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received
not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God
shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they
all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in
unrighteousness." "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets,
and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible,
they shall deceive the very elect."




Obedience to Rome??? Teaching only what she decrees?? Letting Rome interpret
the scriptures for you instead of studying and praying and letting the Holy
Spirit lead you to all truth as Jesus said?? Letting Rome step inbetween you
and God in place of Jesus?? we have been warned, NOT TO DO SO!

What did the disciples answer, when Apostate Israel tried to do this with
them?


... We ought to obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up
Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.Him hath God exalted with his right
hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and
forgiveness of sins. And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is]
also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. ... and
daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach
Jesus Christ."

"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that
the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's
device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth
all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which
he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained;
[whereof] he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him
from the dead. {IT IS GOD ALMIGHTY)"Who will have all men to be saved, and
to come unto the knowledge of the truth."

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ
Jesus." !!!!!!!!!!

"IT IS HIS EXAMPLE, HIS WORDS, HIS LIFE WHICH SHOULD BE CONTEMPLATED DAILY.

Thank you for providing the oportunity for me to both speak and lift Him up
above "your saints"

For the Word of God declares that the TRUE saints of God, follow and worship
the lamb of God ONLY and the Vatican is a liar. The true Church is not Rome,
the true church overcomes Rome!!

".. and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty
and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.And I
heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of
a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four
beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred
[and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These
are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed
from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in
their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne
of God. And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the
everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every
nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear
God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and
worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of
waters. And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is
fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of
the wrath of her fornication.And the third angel followed them, saying with
a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his
mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of
the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his
indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the
presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke
of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day
nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the
mark of his name.
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the
commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. -- Rev 14


Rev 22
7 Behold, I [Jesus] come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of
the prophecy of this book.
8 And I John saw these things, and heard [them]. And when I had heard and
seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me
these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See [thou do it] not: for I am thy fellowservant,
and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this
book: worship God.
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book:
for the time is at hand.


God's remnant Church is identified as those who Satan is at war with:
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with
the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the
testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See
[thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the
testimony of Jesus:
=========> worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of
prophecy.

The Church of Rome does not have nor teach the testimony of Jesus, and
instead opposes it for it identifies the Vatican as Antichrist, and thus
reveals who is followed and actually worshipped while masquerading as an
Angel of light and under the guise of Christ:

Rev 13:2 - 4 And the beast [Rome in the latter days}which I saw was like
unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as
the mouth of a lion: Babylon and the dragon gave him his power, and his
seat, and great authority.
[identified in Daniel 2 and 7] ... and all the world wondered after the
beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and
they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able
to make war with him?


But --

1Jo 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[including not worshipping anyone or anything else such as Popes, and idols
and so called Saints and Angels, and keeping the Lord's Sabbath]
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar,
and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected:
hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he
walked.
7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment
which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye
have heard from the beginning.

Jesus testified:
Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life:
and they are they which testify of me.

The vatican claims that the scriptures are only "helpful" but do not contain
all that is necessary to salvation, and so you must follow her unbiblical
decrees and traditions and Magesterial interpretations, THAT IS A LIE, and
we are told to avoid and shun such ungodly babbling

2Ti 3:15 -17 the holy scriptures, ===> which are able to make thee wise unto
salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


2Ti 2:15 -17 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth
not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.But shun profane and
vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

~ Cindy

Stay tuned for daily installments from the Desire of Ages [ the life of
Jesus Christ ] as an alternative to the lives of Catholic Saints, AND THEN
CHOOSE WHO SHOULD REALLY BE FOLLOWED AND PRAYED TO.

Texts quoted above:
Jhn 3:19-21, Jhn 16:1-3, Isa 8:20, Jhn 14:6,Jhn 5:37, Jhn 6:63, Jhn 6:63.
Jhn 1:18, Luk 8:21, Jhn 14:15, 23, Jhn 15:10, Jhn 12:32, 2Cr 11:12-15,
Mat 15:9, Psa 118:8, 2Th 2:3-12, Mat 24:24, ,1Ti 2:4 -5, Act 5:29-31, 42 ,
Rev 14, 4-12 and more...

[alanm]

Post by ~ Cindy
August 13 - St Pontian....
snip...
==============
I grow weary of your daily parade of Vatican Saints, and this attempt to
bring glory and worship and prayer to man instead of God!

Then have a sleep.

[LoneStar]

Post by ~ Cindy
Jesus plainly said that Satan is the Father of Murderers and liars, and his
words amply prove that Rome's actions (fruits) have proved to all who love
The Church of Rome does not have nor teach the testimony of Jesus, and
instead opposes it for it identifies the Vatican as Antichrist, and thus
reveals who is followed and actually worshipped while masquerading as an

Goodness Gracious, ~ Cindy! Aren't we in a hateful tiff today! How sweet
it is for you to personally condemn the Catholic Church (and therefore, all
its members) simply because YOU know the "truth" and know the only possible
Biblical interpretations that only lead to your view of the religious world.
Yes, yes, you probably think I'm being harsh and sub-human again, but I find
it more harsh and sub-human to call others "Anti-Christ" and associate them
with the devil. Of course, you don't see that because you think you're
right about judging others and their religious stance. If I weren't such a
tremendous person! and in such a good mood, I'd call you a name too, right
now. But you wouldn't like that. It's only OK if YOU do it!

EW

[Donna]

Post by LoneStar

Post by ~ Cindy
Jesus plainly said that Satan is the Father of Murderers and liars, and his
words amply prove that Rome's actions (fruits) have proved to all who love
The Church of Rome does not have nor teach the testimony of Jesus, and
instead opposes it for it identifies the Vatican as Antichrist, and thus
reveals who is followed and actually worshipped while masquerading as an

Goodness Gracious, ~ Cindy! Aren't we in a hateful tiff today! How sweet
it is for you to personally condemn the Catholic Church (and therefore,
all its members) simply because YOU know the "truth" and know the only
possible Biblical interpretations that only lead to your view of the
religious world. Yes, yes, you probably think I'm being harsh and
sub-human again, but I find it more harsh and sub-human to call others
"Anti-Christ" and associate them with the devil. Of course, you don't
see that because you think you're right about judging others and their
religious stance. If I weren't such a tremendous person! and in such a
good mood, I'd call you a name too, right now. But you wouldn't like
that. It's only OK if YOU do it!
EW

Why do you speak out against Cindy when it is clearly God's word that you
are having a problem with?

[LoneStar]

Post by Donna
Why do you speak out against Cindy when it is clearly God's word that you
are having a problem with?

Huh? What of God's word do I have a problem with? I only have a problem
with those who would assume the ultimate authority on God's word to the
exclusion of others' interpretations.

About ~Cindy. I only "speak out" against her because she is a bigot, in my
opinion. Sounds pretty rough, doesn't it? But is it really as rough as her
calling the RCC (thereby, all its members, yes) whores, beasts, Satan
conspirators, and all that nice stuff?

EW

[Donna]

Post by LoneStar

Post by Donna
Why do you speak out against Cindy when it is clearly God's word that you
are having a problem with?

Huh? What of God's word do I have a problem with? I only have a problem
with those who would assume the ultimate authority on God's word to the
exclusion of others' interpretations.
About ~Cindy. I only "speak out" against her because she is a bigot, in
my opinion. Sounds pretty rough, doesn't it? But is it really as rough
as her calling the RCC (thereby, all its members, yes) whores, beasts,
Satan conspirators, and all that nice stuff?
EW

Readers:

1 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prohecy of the scripture is of
any private interpretation."

Scripture interprets itself by all that is written in the scriptures with
the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We are shown who the whore is, her
daughters, babylon, the beast etc., so if anyone has a problem with anyone
else sharing that then they really do not have a problem with the one who
shared but actually with God's Word.

It is good that "in my opinion" was stated because their is no proof of
bigotry. There can be no proof where bigotry does not exist.

Others, including the writer who has been falsely accused above, have stated
that when truth has been shared concerning the doctrines and teachings of
the RCC that it is not the individual members being spoken of. The
individual members are the ones being warned to come out of the deceptive
practices so that they are ready and waiting upon our Lord's soon return.

May we all be found ready and waiting,

Donna

[LoneStar]

Post by Donna
It is good that "in my opinion" was stated because their is no proof of
bigotry. There can be no proof where bigotry does not exist.
Others, including the writer who has been falsely accused above, have
stated that when truth has been shared concerning the doctrines and
teachings of the RCC that it is not the individual members being spoken
of. The individual members are the ones being warned to come out of the
deceptive practices so that they are ready and waiting upon our Lord's
soon return.

Donna, Donna........

The Catholic Church IS its members, and its members ARE the Catholic Church.
You cannot separate the two as you have done. If the members were hostages
or unlikely participants, then you would be correct. What the RCC
promulgates is largely what the members believe, thereby being the whores,
Satanists, infidel monsters, and hell-bound wretches that ~Cindy believes
they are. And I call that bigotry, because castigating others for not
believing as one does is just that.

Wow, I must be nuts! I think that God understands us all, in our hearts,
and knows our persuasions. As I've said before, he does not discount
sincere approaches to him by his people. He does not judge our hearts with
a Bible at his side, with a scribe whispering to him the formal Biblical
technicalities that a person may be accused of breaking. But maybe I'm not
nuts after all, because that's what Jesus said basically!

Unfortunately, you seem to live a scripted life in terms of your religion,
thinking that you've got to do that to please God. I wonder if God is
wondering if you care more about Him or the arguable "rules" in The Book.
Think about it.

EW

[Donna]

Post by LoneStar

Post by Donna
It is good that "in my opinion" was stated because their is no proof of
bigotry. There can be no proof where bigotry does not exist.
Others, including the writer who has been falsely accused above, have
stated that when truth has been shared concerning the doctrines and
teachings of the RCC that it is not the individual members being spoken
of. The individual members are the ones being warned to come out of the
deceptive practices so that they are ready and waiting upon our Lord's
soon return.

Donna, Donna........
The Catholic Church IS its members, and its members ARE the Catholic
Church. You cannot separate the two as you have done. If the members were
hostages or unlikely participants, then you would be correct. What the
RCC promulgates is largely what the members believe, thereby being the
whores, Satanists, infidel monsters, and hell-bound wretches that ~Cindy
believes they are. And I call that bigotry, because castigating others
for not believing as one does is just that.
Wow, I must be nuts! I think that God understands us all, in our hearts,
and knows our persuasions. As I've said before, he does not discount
sincere approaches to him by his people. He does not judge our hearts
with a Bible at his side, with a scribe whispering to him the formal
Biblical technicalities that a person may be accused of breaking. But
maybe I'm not nuts after all, because that's what Jesus said basically!
Unfortunately, you seem to live a scripted life in terms of your religion,
thinking that you've got to do that to please God. I wonder if God is
wondering if you care more about Him or the arguable "rules" in The Book.
Think about it.
EW

Readers,

It is true that the Catholic church is it's members, but that is not the
main issue here. The issue is that the members are not aware of the
deceptions they have accepted under the guise of its leadership. Some were
born into generations of Catholics before them and do not realize that their
practices are not really what the Lord would have them believe and
participate in. They do not know that they are being led by and
participating in the very things that they would abhor if they knew and
could see the whole picture. Jesus called the false religion a whore and
those protestant churches who followed her practices He called harlots. Why,
because they committed adultery against Him; they left Him and followed
Satan. Most are in confusion and this confusion in the churches God calls
Babylon. Jesus warns and calls:

Rev. 18:4 "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins,
and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Those who speak up and try to point out the truth are not bigots. They are
only doing that which the Lord gave His people to do, loving their
fellowman. They do not want their fellowman lost.

It is easy to tell ourselves, "well God knows my heart and I think He will
understand." Understand what? That we have His written word, the promise of
the Holy Spirit to guide us to all truth if we ask it, our fellowman who
loves us enough to take the time to explain and yet we stiffen our necks and
continue on and do not take advantage of all that the Lord has brought to
us. Do we really believe God is going to understand something that we think
is in our hearts when our mouths and ways show Him the opposite.

Matt. 15:18 "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from
the heart; and they defile the man."

We cannot separate God from His Word.

Matt. 4:4 " It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every
word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

In our Lord Jesus Christ's service,

Donna

[LoneStar]

Post by Donna
It is true that the Catholic church is it's members, but that is not the
main issue here. The issue is that the members are not aware of the
deceptions they have accepted under the guise of its leadership.

I admire your fortitude! But it's Friday, and I need to worry about fixing
my father-in-law's 8 year old computer, plus there's a cute little dog
outside my property fence line that some redneck SOB dumped there, and it
needs love and care. What to do!!

Must postpone our bantering for another smoother day. But a final comment:
I think those who would dump baby cats, small dogs, and throw their garbage
out along country roads are likewise the detritus of society.

EW